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    Anastasija

    all that in response to your ogairnil post. I apologize for my error. I read through a number of posts and a great many comments when I posting my ogairnil comment.>> Also, it must be noted, there are lots of women who, in>> the comments of lots of blog posts related to this topic,>> have said they have always felt perfectly safe attending TAM.>> Again, it is not about TAM, but the truth is that the larger> community of women and others have a valid concern about> behavior at conferences. That is not even remotely in> question.Even though you tacked on an addendum to the origial post saying it’s not about TAM, I think it’s pretty clearly about TAM. TAM is the primary JREF sponsored event, the keynote event, and you mention TAM and DJ in the title of your post, your fourth paragraph mentioned TAM about eight times, and you don’t mention any other conference/gathering in the ogairnil post. I’m not sure how you can say it’s not about TAM.>>- skeptics like to argue.>> Yes, they do, and apparently many of them also like to make> shit up as youe28099ve done and many like to maintain the too> sexist status quo of the community as you have done as well!I think make shit up is strong I accidentally attributed a comment in your blog to you. It’s not like I invented stuff out of thin air. And I’ve noted my mistake.And, how, by making my comments, have I maintained the sexist status quo of the community? By simply being a male (as you are)?> YMMV = CYPFive minutes of searching and I can’t find a relevant definition for this acronym, so I can’t respond to this.>> One thing that will help the situation is, when a woman>> (or anyone, really) feels that someone has acted>> inappropriately towards them, that person NEEDS to report>> it to the TAM organizers. While Rebecca did, unfortunately,>> received a lot of backlash from the Elevator Incident, that>> would have been impossible if she hadne28099t chosen to make the>> incident public (was this a bad choice? Ie28099m not saying).>> Righte280a6 youe28099re just implying that maybe life would be better> for everyone if the chick had just shut up. Your interest in> having people shut up about these things could explain why> none of the people in your life mention these things to you.> Think about it. In an unbiased way, of course.Wow. Uh, no. But nice conclusion-jumping, and also reinforcing your ogairnil ad hominem attack to paint me like a big, chauvanist bastard. Actually, a number of my female friends have turned to me for support in a number of situations where they had been treated unkindly (for various values of unkindly ) by men in their lives. But none of those times ever happened to any of them at a skeptical event. So, to be clear, you are quite incorrect in this assessment of me. But please feel free to describe my personality in other ways, rather than just looking at what I’m saying.And continuing your doing that, rather than asking me what I meant, you just assume. It’s like you can read my mind. Actually, it’s quite unlike that. If I had meant to imply that women should just shut up, why would I, just a bit further down, recommend and stress that that women report these incidents as they happen?What I meant was, Rebecca is a blogger (amongst other things) she chose to make the incident public, in the Skepchick blog. She did that knowing full well that people would comment on it, and that some of those comments would be negative ones, possibly even extremely negative from various asshats. Is it right that those asshats should make those comments? No. Should it attention be brought to the fact that there are bastards out there who make inappropriate comments to blog posts? Yes. Should we strive to fight them? Yes. Should we assume it won’t happen? How can we when we know it will? That’s simply naive. When you make a blog post on an open blog, you make a choice that anyone can comment. Good and bad. That’s the deal. Right or wrong, that’s the deal. And Rebecca is experienced enough to know that it’s the deal.[And if you’re going to say: the fact that those asshats exist shows the sort of negative atmosphere that exists at conventions… that doesn’t necessarily follow. Lots of people make comments on the internet that they’d never make in real like, because they can hide behind the anonyminity. And more importantly, there’s no reason to assume that the asshats making the negative comments ever attend any of the events.]>> If someone privately makes a comment to the TAM>> organizers that theye28099ve been treated inappropriately I feel>> damn near 100% certain that it will be dealt with as>> privately as possible, which means no backlash.>> Very likely. Off topic, but important.Actually, quite relevant to the topic. Which is, do the TAM orgnaizers care about this sort of thing? And the answer is: yes. If they didn’t, then if/when women made reports, they would’t deal with those reports appropriately. But you and I agree that they almost certainly would. Hence, the organizers of TAM (which is to say, the JREF) do care about harassment (sexual and otherwise) at the TAM events.Also part of the topic: is the best way to deal with this situation by having a free-for-all via blog posts? Hard to say. Given what’s going on here, it doesn’t seem like it is. Other than people arguing via various blog posts and follow-up comments, I’m not sure what’s been accomplished.And since I’m commenting again, a thought unmentioned in my ogairnil comment and this follow-up do we actually know why fewer women are attending TAM this year, or is everyone speculating? Has anyone taken the attendance data and asked the women who’ve attended in the past why they’re not attending this year? This would seem to be a somewhat important question f0c

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